What Happened on May 21

I found this Q&A document on Facebook and thought I’d address the questions here so that, Lord willing, others may see different views concerning current Biblical events. It’s been said that no one is able to offer correction concerning the timeline or May 21, 2011. Below I offer a number of verses and responded to questions raised concerning the calendar and whether I believe anything spiritual happened on May 21. What we do with the information offered is between us and the Lord. However, we should be aware that correction may not always come in the form of adding to or confirming our interpretation of scripture. Could it be that in order to receive correction, we have to revise a number of the doctrines we currently hold?

On February 2, 2010 a letter was sent to Family Radio encouraging those who held to the teaching of May 21, 2011 and the related doctrines to consider the spiritual nature of the verses they were offering. A copy of this letter can be viewed at this link http://bereanstudies.net/Family%20Radio/Letter%20to%20Mr.%20Camping.pdf. A shorter video version is also on youtube here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSOH0Ouilmk. Perhaps, you might see that what’s offered below does not vary much from what was offered to Family Radio, then. May it be that there might be those who would consider the information shared as we all seek to be more faithful to the Bible. The colored writing is my feedback to the questions raised. I also include the Answers originally provided by the maker of this document because I may also comment on them:

“WHAT HAPPENED ON MAY 21, 2011?

And What Is Happening During These Days After?

Some post May 21 Questions and Biblical Responses:

Q1. Was May 21 Judgment Day?

A1. In order to answer your question it’s important for us to realize that no one has been able to find any error or fault with the biblical timeline of history. No corrections have been made to show it was off course in any way. Therefore, the Bible’s timeline of history is still pointing to May 21, 2011 as the Day of Judgment! This means that the Bible is still insisting that day was Judgment Day! So the answer to your question is yes! Although it did not happen as we had thought it would, nonetheless it was indeed the beginning point of the Day of Judgment.”

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No. May 21 was NOT judgment day because judgment in the Bible is ALWAYS about the death of the church. Literal historical judgments like the flood, S&G spiritually pointed to the demise of the church. As far as I can see, there is no flaw in the calendar. However, like everything else, we have to study it in the light of the WHOLE Bible. 1994, if anything would have marked the official death of the church and the revelation of Christ when God began to separate wheat from tares. Judgment day (Day or Hour) is not about the very last day or May 21, but rather the tribulation. The one that was cut short (Mt 24:22) and transitioned into the complete devastation of the body as God now allows the false prophets, locusts, thieves, scorpions to continue ruling as antichrists and bring about tremendous confusion to those seeking to find the Door (Christ).

This would mean, the tribulation lasted 2300 days (Da 8:14), NOT 23 years. The cleansing of the sanctuary is the language of judgment (Nu 35:33). The latter part of the calendar (1994 to 2011) may harmonize with the overall calendar, but if Christ has already been revealed, that part of the calendar became a shell with no substance. The timeline was spiritually pointing to Christ and the Jubilee of 1994 would have brought about the beginning process of setting the captives free (Lev 25:10). If we’re not comparing spiritual with spiritual, God can use the calendar as a TEST, like he has tested His people MANY times in the past. Would the post-church community NOT be tested? If the focus is on the outside world, including Israel becoming a nation again in 1948, one might miss the spiritual judgment taking place INSIDE the body.

Babylon (the church, not the world or the world including the church) is responsible for the blood of the prophets and God uses the same wicked in the church to destroy it. So the church commits suicide like Judas, who typified the unsaved in it. The world did not shed the blood of the prophets. Historically that’s happened, but God speaks in parables; and the few times it’s happened would only be typifying the spiritual killing in the church with the wicked overpowering the elect in tribulation.

Mt 24:22 And except those days should be SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Da 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be CLEANSED.

SHEDDING BLOOD: BABYLON KILLING THE PROPHETS… AND MORE SO IN TRIBULATION?

Mt 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

Ge 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Mt 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

Re 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Lu 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;

Lu 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias (Jehovah remembers – so Zacharias being a type of the last of the martyrs), which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Re 16:6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

Re 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

CLEANSING, ATONEMENT: GOD FORGIVING ONLY WHEN BLOOD IS SHED?

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Le 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement <03722> for the soul.

De 21:8 Be merciful <03722>, O LORD, unto thy people Israel, whom thou hast redeemed, and lay not innocent blood unto thy people of Israel’s charge. And the blood shall be forgiven <03722> them.

De 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful <03722> unto his land, and to his people.

Eze 43:20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge <03722> it.

CLEANSING THE LAND: JUDGMENT – THE CHURCH’S BLOOD SHED BY THE CHURCH?

Nu 35:33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed (atoned for or purged) <03722> of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

Da 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed (justified).

Eze 22:24 Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation.

2Ch 34:5 And he (Last good King – Josiah) burnt the bones of the priests upon their altars, and cleansed Judah and Jerusalem.

Eze 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the {noses} of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog (multitude of Gog).

Pr 9:14 For she (foolish woman) sitteth at the door of her house, on a seat in the high places of the city,

Pr 9:15 To call passengers who go right on their ways:

Eze 39:12 And seven months (judgment?) shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

Mt 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Eze 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.

Eze 39:14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

Eze 39:16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah (multitudes). Thus shall they cleanse the land.

SALVATION: REDEMPTION OF THE BODY COMES IN A JUBILEE?

Le 25:10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a JUBILE unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

“Q2. What do I say when someone tells me that nothing happened on May 21?

A2. First of all, don’t argue with them about it. Keep in mind that those in the churches denied there was ever any judgment upon them too. But if you find some people open to discussing these things ask them if they think anything happened in the garden of Eden? After all, the Bible says the following:

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

As we read the historical account in Genesis we find that Adam & Eve disobeyed God and did eat of the tree. We also find that they did NOT die that very day. As a matter of fact, Adam went on to live for many hundreds of years after.

So, it would be easy for an outside observer in the garden (although impossible since they were the only people that existed at that time) to say, God said in the day they eat they would die. And nothing happened! Either God is too weak to do what He says or He just outright lied. But is that true that nothing happened to Adam and Eve in the garden? No! That isn’t true at all: something very real did happen. All of us are the offspring of our first parents, and we have experienced the terrible effects even thousands of years later from that catastrophic day.

What happened in the garden? God brought about a spiritual (invisible) judgment upon Adam and Eve. Since this is a biblical fact, why is it that some act as if the idea of a spiritual judgment is preposterous? As though it has never been found on the pages of the Bible? And yet, here we find it at the very beginning. The very first judgment upon mankind for their sin was spiritual in nature.”

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The spiritual death of Adam and Even, I believe, typified the death that came on the church. That is the only spiritual connection I see the Bible to be allowing. Adam and Eve’s test in the garden would have pointed spiritually to the final test that came on the body of Christ in tribulation: Linking what took place in the garden of Eden to what one believes happened on May 21, I’m afraid, is not comparing scripture.

Ge 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge <01847> of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

De 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

De 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

De 30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;

De 30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

De 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Ps 34:14 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

De 1:39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

Adam and Eve failed the test, God drove them out. The church failed to obey and chose evil over good, God drove IT out from His presence:

Ge 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Ge 3:24 So he drove out <01644> the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Ge 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out <01644> this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

Ge 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out <01644> this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

Ho 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out <01644> of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

“Q3. Is there really such a thing as a spiritual judgment?

A3. When we read the Bible and find all of that ugly, relentless language regarding the Lord judging the churches, didn't we rightly understand that when the Lord spoke of making Judah a desolation, and that mothers would cry out woefully for their children in that day, and so on, that it was all describing a spiritual reality? That we were not to take it literally, but rather it must be understood spiritually. We had a proper understanding of how the Lord would begin the judgment process on the churches.

But, when it came to the world we made an assumption that Judgment Day must be physical and all we read of it must be literal. We did this despite the fact that Jeremiah 25 said the following:

28 And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink. 29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.

God lays out His complete plan for Judgment Day in Jeremiah chapter 25. First, He tells us, that He intends to give the cup of His fury to those called by His Name (i.e. the churches). Then, following this, He turns and gives the same (identical) cup of wrath to the nations of the world. If the cup is the same cup, and the initial judgment on the churches was completely spiritual, then why would we ever expect the nature of the judgment to change as it turned to the world?

So yes, we can be sure that spiritual judgments are most definitely found in the Bible.”

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The Bible does speak of a spiritual judgment. But again it’s one that deals with the wrath of God on His OWN people. God speaks in parables; and a parable is spoken unto the house of Israel (Ez 17:2) So the parable is designed to blind those in the church who are not comparing scripture (1Co 2:13, Mt 13:13, Mt 13:34).

God uses the word EARTH to symbolically point to the CHURCH. It’s one of many names He assigns to the corporate body. Others include heaven, the world, the city, the nations, the people, the land, Jerusalem, footstool, Babylon (in tribulation)…

Therefore Jer 25:28 could NOT be speaking of the outside world. Those who first drank of the cup are the ELECT as they were chastised and endured tribulation (Mt 24:13, De 8:5, Job 5:17, Ps 118:18, Pr 3:12) among many others… they had to go through the fiery trial of the tribulation when God hid His Face from the whole body (Zac 13:9, Rev 6:10, De 31:17) Then when the Bible was unsealed (Christ revealed) God began to bring revelation to them and they are no longer in tribulation. However, God brought simultaneous judgment to the rest of the church:

1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the WORLD. (In other words, the chastening of the elect made it possible to escape the second death that came on the church).

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not <544> the gospel of God?

Are the ones who OBEY NOT the gospel, the outside world, or the rebels IN the body of Christ, typified by Israel and the Heathen nations?

Ro 10:21 But to ISRAEL he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient <544> and gainsaying people.

Heb 3:18 And to WHOM sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not <544>?

Ro 15:31 That I may be delivered from them that do not believe <544> in JUDAEA; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints;

1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto THEM which be disobedient <544>, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

So the cup of God’s wrath, transitions from the Elect, tried in the fire on the Day of the Lord (tribulation), to the unsaved body when God forsakes it. As long as the church was in tribulation, there was the possibility for repentance (De 4:30 coming out of babylon). But since the tribulation is over, the Door is SHUT to professing Christians who are looking to or trying to enter in. I believe, they are the dogs, sorcerers, whoremongers… (Rev 22:15). The literal world has ALWAYS been in spiritual darkness and couldn’t care less about the gospel. However, it’s in the body of Christ, it seems God is focusing on. He had always been aware of the false prophets who come in the name of Christ to destroy those for whom He died. These are the ones that today God would be exposing through His Word. How could the outside world ever portray drunkards who are filled with wine if Christ was never among them to begin with?:

Isa 24:20 The EARTH shall reel TO and FRO like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

Jer 5:1 Run ye TO and FRO through the streets of JERUSALEM, and see now, and know, and seek in the broad places thereof, if ye can find a man, if there be any that executeth judgment, that seeketh the truth; and I will pardon it.

Da 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run TO and FRO, and knowledge shall be increased.

Joe 2:9 They shall run TO and FRO in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

Ps 107:27 They reel TO and FRO, and stagger like a drunken man <07910>, and are at their wits’ end.

Isa 28:1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards <07910> of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

Jer 23:9 Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets; all my bones shake; I am like a drunken <07910> man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome, because of the LORD, and because of the words of his holiness.

Joe 1:5 Awake, ye drunkards <07910>, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.

Joe 1:13 Gird yourselves, and lament, ye PRIESTS: howl, ye MINISTERS of the altar: come, lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God: for the meat offering and the DRINK OFFERING is withholden from the house of your God.

Joe 1:15 Alas for the day! for the DAY of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction <07701> from the Almighty shall it come.

Pr 21:7 The robbery <07701> of the WICKED shall destroy them; because they refuse to do judgment. (the wicked are unsaved professing Christians that God uses to destroy the body through their LIES).

Isa 51:19 These two things are come unto thee; who shall be sorry for thee? desolation <07701>, and destruction, and the famine, and the sword <02719>: by whom shall I comfort thee?

Ps 17:13 Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the WICKED, {which is} thy sword <02719>:

“Q4. Haven't we been lying dead in the streets since May 21 did not turn out as we had expected?

A4. No. We can't just pick and choose one thing that we think relates to what happened on May 21 and leave out the other details found in the Revelation 11 account. For instance, let's read the following:

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

It says in Rev. 11:8 that the dead bodies of the 2 witnesses lie in the street of the great city called Sodom and Egypt, where "our Lord was crucified". Where was the Lord crucified? The answer is just outside Jerusalem. And Jerusalem identifies completely with the churches. Now, what in the world would the 2 witnesses, which is just language speaking of those that witnessed the gospel, be doing lying down in the churches on May 21, 2011? By that point every single one of God's people had come out of the churches. If we were killed (which we weren't) in some way spiritually on May 21 then we should be lying in the streets of the world: because that's where we were found. Outside all churches!

You see it doesn't fit. But what does fit is what Mr. Camping has long taught. That once Satan was loosed (the beast of Revelation) he immediately ascended out of the bottomless pit and went right for the churches. At that point, back in May of 1988, the 2 witnesses were killed and the church age came to a close. The 2 witnesses are said to lie in the street for 3 1/2 day, this time identifies with the first 2300 evening mornings of the great tribulation. Then following this, they rise up on their feet as the Lord sends forth the gospel of the latter rain for the last (about) 17 years of the great tribulation period. All harmonizes once we realize this.”

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No. Other than the fact that God would be using May 21 as a TEST to draw people away from the spiritual, that date would carry NO spiritual substance as mentioned before. Strange how some might rightly understand that God used Sodom and Egypt (heathen nations) to spiritually point to the church in Rev 11:8. However, somehow Babylon would point to something other than the church? The death of the two witnesses would have taken place at the start of the great tribulation; Time when a partial judgment began as God allowed the Elect to be subject to the lies of antichrists. After 3.5 days (spiritually half a seven) and thus pointing to the 2300-day tribulation itself, cut short, for Christ to be revealed in judgment:

Re 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and KILL them.

Re 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Re 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Re 11:13 And the SAME HOUR was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

If we see language of “come up hither” in the same HOUR (tribulation) which is spiritually pointing to the Elect now being redeemed from the church, how can we place the earthquake at May 21, 2011? So once again we should see, Lord willing, that the DAY and HOUR is parabolic language for the great tribulation that transitioned into the total devastation of the church. The wicked in the body are not experiencing this redemption so they do not come up:

Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will NOT come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

“Q5. Did the believers' testimony end on May 21? Is that when the 2 witnesses were killed?

A5. No. Mr. Camping and Family Radio taught correctly that the death of the 2 witnesses took place right at the end of the church age, and the beginning point of the great tribulation (May 21, 1988). Satan (the beast referred to in Revelation 11:7) was not victorious on May 21, 2011; but rather it was a day of crushing defeat for him as God completed His salvation program. God saved all of the elect whose names were written down in the lamb's book of life. In other words Satan's kingdom of darkness was ransacked. And Satan himself was deposed from his lofty rule and all authority given to him during the 23 great tribulation was removed since the great tribulation came to an end.”

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Interesting answer, but again, I don’t see this having any Biblical substance in terms of May 21, 2011. I think it’s true, that the testimony of the two witnesses (body of Christ) would have come to an end in 1988 as God’s judgment on the church was partial with the chastening of the Elect. Time when they were spiritually calling on His name:

Re 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and AVENGE our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

“Q6. Were the churches correct when they said, ‘no man knows the day or hour’?

A6. Some say the churches were right. But let's stop a second and consider what we mean by 'churches'. By churches we're referring to denominations that have added or subtracted from the Word of God. By churches we're referring to untold numbers that speak in tongues, or flirt with charismatic signs and wonders to one degree or another. These all proclaimed no man knows. Churches such as those that believe in falling over backwards, or holy laughter: churches that disregard the commandments of God and appoint women teachers, and elders, and pastors: churches that appoint divorced men as elders and deacons. Or churches that even have homosexual priests and bishops. These all proclaimed no man knows. Churches that teach their congregations how to get saved, by partaking of the Lord's table; or by being baptized, or by accepting Christ: churches that teach works and grace gospels: actually, churches that teach every gospel under the sun but the one true gospel of the Bible. These all proclaimed no man knows.

These churches disagree even with each other on just about every point of doctrine imaginable. Yet amazingly they all came together in agreement concerning the teaching that of that day and hour no man knows.

No, they were not correct. Although the Lord has permitted them the appearance of being correct. Just as He permitted the appearance of Satan being correct regarding Adam and Eve’s death if they ate of the fruit of the forbidden tree (Satan said they would not die while God told them they would die the day they ate from the tree). After eating from the tree Adam and Eve did not die physically thereby Satan could have claimed he was right: they did not die. But of course the truth is that they did die spiritually that same day. Likewise God forewarned the world Judgment Day was coming. And He brought about the Day of Judgment precisely when He said He would. We already know the day and hour. It was May 21, 2011.”

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I think it’s a mistake to constantly point the finger at local churches and display their sins without first looking at ourselves to see how faithful WE are being to God’s Word? There is a lot going on in many churches today but keep in mind that a church is a congregation or gathering. The buildings or organized fellowships there are only shadows of the kingdom. Our mistake in the past I believe is that we have been conditioned to think that God is judging those people over there and put substance in the buildings and those who attend church. Next thing that follows is that the command of the Bible is to come out of the LOCAL CHURCHES. If that were the case, then wouldn’t God be commanding us to do a work? That would be no different than telling someone they must accept Christ in order to be saved. Yet many of our recent doctrines have this belief at its very core. Are those who no longer attend church different from them? Does God distinguish between little sins and big sins? God it seems is more concerned with the SIN of bringing lies when it comes to the Bible.

In the past many (myself included for 1994) have understood that the Day and Hour somehow was pointing to the very last day. And this belief was carried right through 1994, May 21, Oct 21, Purim etc. However, by God’s grace as some would continue to compare scripture, we see in hindsight that the Day and Hour was referring to the great tribulation. That’s what the church was to watch for (Re 2:5); time when the locusts would be set free to ravage it. That DAY did come unawares and no one was watching it; not even the elect. But God had prophesied that they would not perish with the unsaved church. He would bring revelation to them so that they would escape from the church that has become Babylon.

Jer 30:7 Alas! for THAT DAY is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Ac 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Re 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the EARTH?

Notice in Rev 6:10 that the elect in tribulation were spiritually desiring to be avenged. That God would avenge them from those who shed their blood on the EARTH. So the earth again is symbolic for the church and is synonymous with BABYLON. The unsaved in the world having no interest in the gospel did not shed the blood of the martyrs in tribulation. So God could not be talking about them.

Re 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the EARTH with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

Jer 2:34 Also in thy skirts is found the blood of the souls of the poor innocents: I have not found it by secret search, but upon all these.

Re 18:24 And in HER was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Re 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on HER.

De 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

Jer 51:6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the LORD’S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence.

So the local churches have never understood the DAY or HOUR, but then neither have we. Otherwise would we ever have made the Bible guarantee May 21? So this brings us back again to looking first at ourselves before judging the local churches?

“Q7. I've prayed for my neighbor for years, he's a nice guy, but he's still in the church. I'm wondering that since we're now in judgment that there may not be a reason to pray for him any longer?

A7. We never stop praying for people. We cannot use being in the Day of Judgment as an excuse to stop praying. We may pray for anyone, just like we have always done.

Jesus gave us an excellent example specifically designed for us alive today, on how we are to pray. Christ prayed in the garden to the Father that the cup might pass from Him. He prayed this three times, and said, O Father all things are possible with Thee may this cup pass from Me. And He concluded the prayer each time with, not My will but Thine be done. Did Jesus know that He must drink of the cup of the Father's wrath? Of course He knew. He knew then the will of God concerning His prayer. Yet in praying this prayer He is showing us that we may pray fervently and desperately for any individual presently drinking of the cup of God's wrath at this time; and we may beseech the Lord that the cup might pass from off this one, or off that one. It allows for a great release of our burdens. You can beseech the Lord that the cup might pass from off your neighbor and then leave it all in God's perfect will.”

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I don’t think we have Biblical authority to relate Christ praying in the Garden to May 21 or what we believe happened after that date. The Door is shut in judgment but as mentioned, it is primarily to professing Christians. Of course it does impact the rest of the world, because if God removes the candlestick from the church, then the hope of salvation would also be removed from the world. But the heavier judgment it seems is on the body, now destroyed. Do the following verses point to the outside world or the collective church, who comes in the NAME of Christ?

Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied IN THY NAME? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mt 24:5 For many shall come in MY NAME, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

I don’t see anything wrong with praying for others, family, friends because we don’t know and never knew who the elect are. As God could have saved someone unknown to us. However, I also feel it’s important we preach the right gospel given the nature of the time and the related commands found in the Bible. It’s this everlasting gospel that God would be using to separate the wheat from the tares as He reveals His judgment to the elect.

“Q8. Should I pray for my children?

A8. Yes. As a child of God we should always pray for everyone in our lives. If we think our son or daughter is not saved, we can cry out to the Lord, 'O Lord, could it be that you might have had mercy upon my son/daughter before you shut the gate to heaven'. We can also thank the Lord for His tremendous mercy, that here we are living in the day of judgment, and yet we can still have some hope that perhaps the Lord might complete a work in our children. That's amazing when we stop to think about it.”

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“Q9. Do you think the great tribulation ended?

A9. Yes. But what I think doesn’t matter. We know the great tribulation came to an end because the Bible tells us this. We need to remember the perfect way that the great tribulation fit into God's overall timeline. Also, the 23 year period came to a close on exactly May 21, which happened to be the day 7000 years later from the flood that perfectly fell on the (underlying Hebrew calendar date) of the 17th day of the 2nd month. We have understood the great tribulation correctly. We are in now in 'those days after that tribulation' Mark 13:24.”

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Yes the tribulation ended, but not on May 21 as previously mentioned. The days of the tribulation were cut short for the sake of the elect so God would begin the separation process. If Christ was revealed in the Jubilee of 1994 to set the captives free, then there would be no substance in the latter part of the calendar. God, I believe, would have stepped down the calendar at THAT time of the END:

Hab 2:3 For the vision is yet for an APPOINTED TIME, but at the END it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

Eze 7:6 An END is come, the end is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it is come.

Am 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The END is come upon my people of ISRAEL; I will not again pass by them any more.

The END would have been pointing to the time of separation. After the elect were chastised, endured and brought through the fire of the tribulation, God set them free:

Mr 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the END, the same shall be saved.

Salvation, in these verses would not be speaking of individual salvation, but rather the deliverance of the elect from bondage. A collection redemption as God brings back their captivity:

Zep 3:20 At that time will I bring you again, even in the time that I gather you: for I will make you a name and a praise among all people of the earth, when I turn back your captivity before your eyes, saith the LORD.

Joe 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days (after 2300 evening morning) shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (light of the church is removed)

APPOINTED TIME: JUBILEE AND FULFILLMENT OF THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES?

Job 7:1 Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?

Ps 81:3 Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn FEAST DAY.

2Sa 6:15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the LORD with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet.

Am 2:2 But I will send a fire upon Moab, and it shall devour the palaces of Kerioth: and Moab shall die with tumult, with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet:

Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Le 25:9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the JUBILE to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

Le 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month (Tishrei), shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

Le 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a FEAST (tabernacles, ingathering) unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.

Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Da 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the END shall be.

Da 11:27 And both these kings’ hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the END shall be at the time appointed.

Da 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the END: because it is yet for a time appointed.

Hab 2:3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the END it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

Remember the Elect had to endure tribulation unto the END when God’s final judgment would come on the Church.

FEAST OF TABERNACLES: APPOINTED TIME AT THE END OF THE YEAR?

De 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:

2Ch 8:13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

De 31:10 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles,

De 31:11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

Ex 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end.

Ex 23:16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.

Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Joh 7:10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the FEAST, not openly, but as it were in secret.

Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. (Last day, coinciding with the death of the church).

“Q10. What about people that were in the churches when May 21 came: is there any hope for them?

A10. Sadly, we know that God took great pains to warn the world of what He was about to do. And He also commanded His people to leave the churches for exactly this reason: that they might escape the judgment of God; but most remained. And we have to state the true case of things. The Bible teaches that they have been bundled for the burning. The awful truth is that they were in a place (the churches) where the Holy Spirit was not working (even though the Holy Spirit was working gloriously outside of the congregations at that time in the world); and they have now gone from a bad situation to a worse situation: as God has removed the gospel blessings from off the whole earth in this day of vengeance.”

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I don’t see how one’s physical presence in a church building would add or take away from the salvation of those already safe in Christ? It’s interesting how during the church age or the time when Family Radio was airing the Open Forum, many would insist that one did not have to be IN a church in order to be saved “faith cometh by hearing…”? So why is it today we have doctrines that seem to imply that one has to leave a building after 1994 in order to be saved? Let’s try and follow this logic:

During the church age a person could be saved either in or outside a building… now comes the command to leave the organized church with its worship service… so God is no longer saving IN the building but He is saving outside the building… church members are not in the building 24/7 so most of the time they would be outside their institution… but they can’t be saved outside either even if they hear the gospel on the radio or TV… as long as they have membership in those institutions? So it boils down to membership in a church? And yet many would also tell you that membership in a church is not a requirement for salvation? So aren’t we in essence placing the substance in the institution rather than Christ?

The local churches with their worship services, just like the Ark of the covenant or the temple that Solomon built would have no substance in them. They were pointing spiritually to God’s presence among the people. However if the END comes, then God would have absented Himself, not just from the substance, but from the shadow as well? The substance being God dwelling in the people who claim His name, whether saved or not? They make up the CHURCH (congregation, assembly, a people) who occasionally might come together in a building to worship. But just like others in the Bible who wanted to put the substance in the law or the shadow, is it possible that we could find ourselves in the same position?

The command to come out of Babylon, I believe, is SPIRITUAL and would relate to God separating wheat from tares by hiding truth from the unsaved and revealing it to the elect, whether inside a church building or not. So me sitting in a worship service, if I happen to be truly saved, would not add or take away from my salvation. The problem comes, when I need to faithfully declare the Word of God. If I am in a church it’s obvious that those who do not embrace my understanding of the Bible will cast me out or not want me to speak what they might believe is blasphemy. But the same is true of ANY gathering today, whether on Facebook, Paltalk etc… So you see, the Bible’s command to leave or be separate from Babylon could not have in view physically disassociating ourselves with formal worship services in a local building. It is a command to RISE. And if there is a resurrection in view, then wouldn’t it be God who must bring someone out of Babylon? Just like we can think we are saved if we’ve been baptized or accepted Christ (work), so too if we put any substance in physically leaving a church (work).

Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come <1831> out of <1537> her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Mt 13:49 So shall it be at the END of the WORLD: the angels shall come forth <1831>, and sever the wicked from <1537> among the just,

2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out <1831> from <1537> among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

Mt 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Mt 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, (the graves being the place of the dead – CHURCH that the elect were a part of)

Mt 27:53 And came <1831> out of <1537> the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from <1537> the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Ac 7:3 And said unto him (God to Abraham), Get thee <1831> out of <1537> thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.

Joh 10:39 Therefore they sought again to take him (Christ): but he escaped <1831> out of <1537> their hand,

Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went <1831> out of <1537> the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Mr 6:54 And when they were come <1831> out of <1537> the ship, straightway they knew him,

Joh 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Joh 9:22 These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

Joh 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

Mt 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mt 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

Lu 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out YOUR NAME as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.

Mt 24:5 For many shall come in MY NAME, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mt 24:24 For there shall arise FALSE CHRISTS, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of TRUTH shall be evil spoken of.

So it seems that GOG is the one who has to bring Babylon out of US?

“Q11. I wasn't a part of the church in the days leading up to May 21, I was kind of expecting the world to end, but it didn't. And now I'm not sure if I'm saved. Is there any hope for me?

A11. The answer is yes there is hope. The hope is that God might have worked a work of salvation in your before He shut the door of heaven on that day. You may go to Him and beseech Him for mercy now at this time, only, you should acknowledge that you are aware that you are hoping He might have made the application of redemption before this evil day came about.”

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“Q12. How can the 'day of judgment' be longer than an actual day?

A12. Good question. The answer is that God is sovereign, and if He wants to refer to a long period of time as a single day that's His prerogative to do so. We find an example of God doing this in the book of Hebrews, in chapter 3:

8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: 9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

Notice that the Lord calls it a 'day of temptation in the wilderness'; but then goes on to say it lasted forty years.”

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Hebrew 3:8 speaks of the Day of TEMPTATION. Temptation is always about trial, testing and great tribulation. God uses a variety of numbers to point to the tribulation including the number 40, 70, 23, 2300, 7, 3.5, 42 months, 1260 days,… The DAY of temptation was typifying the Day of the Lord which, as mentioned, before was the tribulation that transitioned into THE Great Day of the Lord, after the tribulation was cut short. So wouldn’t comparing Hebrews 3:8 to May 21 be like comparing apples to oranges? And NO I don’t believe it’s tribulation for the word’s sake vs. tribulation of having one’s faith tested as it’s been suggested. Testing or tribulation has ALWAYS been for the sake of Christ (the Word).

Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the DAY of temptation <3986> in the wilderness:

Re 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation <3986>, which shall come upon all the world, to TRY them that dwell upon the EARTH.

Tribulation came on the church (the EARTH). Those outside the body of Christ were never IN tribulation. Tribulation is spiritual and comes on the collective body of believers: professing Christians.

1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery TRIAL which is to try <3986> you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations <3986>, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations <3986>;

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth <5278> temptation <3986>: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Mt 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth <5278> to the END shall be saved (delivered from tribulation).

Ro 12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient <5278> in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

Heb 12:7 If ye endure <5278> chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

“Q13. Can I share the Bible with people?

A13. Yes! We are permitted by God to share any Bible truth with others. We can share in any form at all. The only stipulation is that we do not share Scriptures or studies with people hoping that God will use it to save that person during these days after the tribulation. We realize that can no longer happen.”

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Yes, but the primary message of today’s gospel is not May 21 was judgment day. Did God allow a lie to be shared in order to snare or test people? The focus of judgment is to be aware of the false prophets, thieves, locusts, scorpions, antichrists, the judases, that God is allowing to destroy the body. They come in the name of Christ to deceive, kill and destroy. They could have a good working knowledge of the Bible and understand many parables (Da 8:23). The main message today would be to declare that Babylon (the church) is fallen and that the elect have to be separated from the lies of antichrists. And if God allows one to faithfully do this He would use that message to gather the elect to Himself.

Eze 34:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels (messengers) with a great sound of a trumpet (the Bible), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, (from the old body) from one end of heaven (another name for the church) to the other.

Eze 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.

Jer 6:1 O ye children of Benjamin, gather yourselves to flee out of the midst of Jerusalem, and blow the trumpet in Tekoa, and set up a sign of fire in Bethhaccerem: for evil appeareth out of the north, and great destruction.

Eze 29:13 Yet thus saith the Lord GOD; At the end of forty years will I gather the Egyptians from the people whither they were scattered: (the church had been spiritually in Egypt, with the elect captives prior to the gathering).

Re 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

“Q14. Which doctrines have to be changed since May 21 did not happen as we thought?

A14. Obviously, we no longer believe May 21 was the day of the Rapture; or that October 21 is the date for the end of the world; but apart from that, practically all other doctrines we've learned are still in place. Some have severely overreacted to how May 21 has turned out by losing sight of many other sound biblical truths. There is no need for that since we learned most things correctly.”

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Sometimes correction may come in a form that may call for revising a number of beliefs we once held, like the nature of the Jubilee, who the great multitude is, who Babylon is, what hell and damnation are, what it means to come out of Babylon, or does a physical gathering in a church building have any substance etc… Correction may not always be that which is going to confirm or add to my beliefs?

Pr 15:10 Correction (chastening) is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.

Pr 12:1 Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.

Pr 13:1 A wise son heareth his father’s instruction: but a scorner <03887> heareth not rebuke.

Isa 43:27 Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers <03887> have transgressed against me.

“Q15. Should I share the gospel with people?

A15. If by gospel you mean to evangelize people with the hope that they hear and become saved-----then the answer is no! The Lord has likened the conditions of the world in this Day of Judgment to that of fire and brimstone falling (in a spiritual sense). The Bible tells us we are not to sow seed on ground that has experienced fire and brimstone:

Deut. 29:23 And that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath:

Obviously, you do not sow seed on burning ground. Spiritually, that is the earth's condition.

But if by the ‘gospel’ you are referring to the truths of the Word of God, then the answer is yes. The child of God may continue to share truth with anyone in just about anyway.”

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“Q16. It doesn't seem like there really is all that many faithful believers left. Did God actually save a great multitude of people?

A16. Yes He did. We've always known that the great multitude was out there amongst the poor nations of the world that had never heard the gospel before. We never saw them during the great tribulation and we are not seeing them now. But they are still there. Nothing has changed. Revelation 7 assures us that this is so since it reveals to us that the great multitude of people 'came out of great tribulation (Rev. 7:9,14)'. Since the great tribulation ended on May 21, 2011 after an exact 23 years then the great multitude was saved by that point.”

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I’ve heard it said the great multitude is out there somewhere and we have no way of reaching them. Well even if that were the case, wasn’t the number one ministry behind the May 21 Campaign Family Radio? Surely if there are millions who did become saved through the message of May 21 there might be one or two who remembered the ministry who brought them this message? I don’t think it’s that difficult for just a handful of those supposed new believers to search for these ministries online and send them a thank you note? Could it be that the reason we don’t see this great multitude or many receiving the message of judgment with open arms is because the Bible is not teaching this?

The Bible appears to be revealing the great multitude as sum of ALL those who became saved from the first to the very last elect. The 144,000 that were sealed prior to the revelation of Christ (Re 7:3). This multitude could not be unsaved people outside of the church coming out of a tribulation that they were never in? Don’t we have to be IN tribulation (elect enduring to the END) in order to come OUT? It’s the kingdom of God (body of Christ) that was afflicted in tribulation. And God sealing and then redeeming them guarantees their eternal salvation:

Re 7:9 After (with) this (these things) I beheld, and, lo, a great <4183> multitude <3793>, which no man could NUMBER, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Re 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great <4183> multitude <3793>, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. (praising God for the marriage of the Lamb)

Re 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much <4183> people <3793> in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: (if this great multitude were only a new body of believers saved in the latter rain, why would they be the only ones praising God?)

Ge 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to NUMBER them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

Ge 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be NUMBERED for MULTITUDE.

Ge 32:12 And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be NUMBERED for MULTITUDE.

1Ki 3:8 And thy servant (Solomon – type of Christ) is in the midst of thy people which thou hast chosen, a great people, that cannot be NUMBERED nor counted for MULTITUDE.

De 1:10 The LORD your God hath multiplied you, and, behold, ye are this day as the stars of heaven for MULTITUDE.

Re 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, (144,000) having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

Re 14:3 And they sung as it were a new <2537> song <5603> before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand (144,000), which were redeemed from the EARTH. (many are called, but few are chosen)

Re 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Re 5:9 And they sung a new <2537> song <5603>, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

So it seems the great multitude is NOT talking about a new group of people becoming saved through the preaching of May 21, after 1994 but rather ALL the elect that God had been saving from the very beginning to the time when the abomination of desolation was standing in the Holy Place. The body of Christ (great multitude) is being redeemed and coming out of tribulation as God separates the kingdom from the false prophets.

“Q17. Is it OK for a believer to go back to church?

A17. No. While it is true that the 23 year judgment upon the congregations exclusively has concluded (on May 21), we still need to keep in mind that the churches remain under the wrath of God. The reason for this is that God's judgment has expanded from the house of God to now include the whole world of unsaved individuals. The churches are a part of the world and therefore under judgment. The child of God wants nothing to do with any church of any kind.”

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“Q18. If May 21 was really the Day of Judgment: then why are believers still here in the world?

A18. It is at least a threefold answer: 1. In order to have our faith tried (Daniel 11:35) 2. To make manifest that we have already had our sins paid for in the Person of Christ before the world began (2 Corinthians 5:10) 3. And to glorify God (1 Peter 4:12-18).”

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Daniel 11:35 is speaking of the tribulation and the elect going through ITS fiery trial before being redeemed. If May 21 is after the tribulation why would the elect be tried again? Tribulation or Trial is spiritual and would not be dealing with a literal awareness of physical persecution? Tribulation, again I belive, has to do with the rise of false prophets and the elect being delivered from them as God reveals antichrists to them through the Bible in order for them to flee:

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

The above verse again would not be speaking of events after May 21. Elect appeared before the judgment seat of Christ in tribulation. They were they first to endure God’s wrath on the body. After that, the wicked in the church are under God’s wrath as He forsakes them ETERNALLY. It’s also seen in the following verses where God is now giving every man (church) his reward: salvation, redemption for the great multitude and wrath, sword, judgment to the false prophets:

1Co 3:13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the DAY shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall TRY every man’s work of what sort it is.

The Trial that the Bible speaks of, would be the one associated with the Elect enduring tribulation. And 1Pe 4:12-18 I believe is speaking of just that. Some of these verses I posted earlier, but here they are again:

1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery TRIAL which is to try <3986> you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations <3986>, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations <3986>;

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth <5278> temptation <3986>: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Mt 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth <5278> to the END shall be saved (delivered from tribulation).

Ro 12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient <5278> in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

Heb 12:7 If ye endure <5278> chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the FIRE, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will TRY them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

“Q19. What about Christ dying from the foundation of the world? Did He die for sin then or in 33 A.D.?

A19. The Bible insists that Christ died as the Lamb of God BEFORE the foundation of the world (Rev. 13:8). Other Scriptures confirm this. We learned this correctly. Jesus came into the world in order to demonstrate what He had done before the world began. The Lord Jesus made no payment for sin in 33 AD since all the sins of the elect had already been paid for.”

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This, so called, demonstration gospel I believe is another doctrine that the Bible does not support. There is no proof, that I’m aware of, that tells anyone that Christ physically was put to death and rose again in bodily form before creation and then came to demonstrate how it was done? The atonement is an essential part of the gospel of Salvation. Christ who is from everlasting knew just how He would endure the cross and be separated from the Godhead as He was judged on behalf of the Elect. God would have already designed the process before He even created the world and through foreknowledge knew that Christ would be victorious? Therefore He was able to PROMISE salvation well before the cross. With God, the cross was a success, even though the process of carrying it through had to be performed in time. And isn’t a promise from God as good as DONE?:

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the PROMISE by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Hbr 6:13 For when God made PROMISE, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,

Ro 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the PROMISE of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had PROMISED, he was able to perform.

Hbr 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; for he is faithful that PROMISED.

Hbr 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had PROMISED.

Gen 18:14 Is anything too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of PROMISE, (Weren’t the old testament prophets sealed with the holy spirit?)

1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered ONE sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Heb 9:28 So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did ONCE, when he offered up himself.

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Mr 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

“Q20. Does the Bible really teach that we cannot know the timing of the end?

A20. No. The Bible has a great deal of information concerning God revealing end time information to His people (cf. Amos 3:7, Ecc. 8:5,6, Daniel 12:10, etc). As a matter of fact, the Lord DID reveal the timing of the Day of Judgment (May 21, 2011) to the whole world.”

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Yes. If one is looking to May 21 as the END then we would need to begin to separate verses in the Bible into spiritual and literal. As mention before, the DAY and HOUR is parabolic language to God’s judgment in tribulation. It came on the whole body unawares. The Elect didn’t know either that the locusts had come to destroy. Salvation (deliverance) from Babylon comes after the tribulation as God separates wheat from tares. It’s from that perspective that Amos 3:7 is fulfilled:

Revealing secrets is the language of redemption. The Secret is Christ who is revealed through the Spirit, not a last Day. As the Elect are redeemed, Christ is revealed to them through the Bible. So the knowledge of judgment is revealed in hindsight:

Am 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his SECRET <05475> unto his servants the prophets.

Jud 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is SECRET <06383>?

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called WONDERFUL <06382>, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Ps 25:14 The SECRET of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Ps 27:5 For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the SECRET of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.

Lu 1:24-25 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,… Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproachamong men.

Ga 1:16 To reveal his SON in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

1Sa 3:21 And the LORD appeared again in Shiloh: for the LORD revealed HIMSELF to Samuel in Shiloh by the WORD of the LORD.

Re 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The WORD of God.

Da 2:22 He revealeth the deep and SECRET things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his SPIRIT: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Eze 7:22 My face will I turn also from them, and they shall pollute my SECRET place: for the robbers shall enter into it, and defile it. (the wicked polluted Christ in tribulation)

Da 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the SANCTUARY of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Eze 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my HOLY NAME any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

Da 2:28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth SECRETS, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

SECRET OF THE WICKED: FALSE CHRIST – FALSE GOSPELS – FALSE ASSURANCE OF SALVATION?

Ge 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their SECRET; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.

Pr 20:19 He that goeth about as a talebearer revealeth SECRETS <05475>: therefore meddle not with him that <flattereth with his lips>.

Jer 23:22 But if they had stood in my COUNSEL <05475>, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.

Ps 83:3 They have taken crafty COUNSEL <05475> against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

1Sa 5:9 And it was so, that, after they had carried it about, the hand of the LORD was against the city with a very great destruction: and he smote the men of the city, both small and great, and they had emerods in their SECRET parts.

Isa 3:17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their SECRET parts.

Ps 64:2 Hide me from the SECRET COUNSEL <05475> of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity:

Ro 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the SECRETS of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Ec 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every SECRET thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

The same would be true for Ec 8:5,6 and Da 12:10. Knowledge of Christ comes as God redeems the Elect from tribulation. However, the tribulation itself (Day of the Lord) came suddenly and unawares.

“Q21. How long will it be before Christ comes and ends the world?

A21. God has clarified many things to us. But at this point, we do not know the duration (the length of time) of Judgment Day. Perhaps we will learn more about this as we continue to study.”

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How can the timeline be perfect from the vintage point of May 21 and yet the real last day is not found or tied into the calendar? Could it be, again, we went down the wrong path with May 21? The Bible as mentioned, does not appear to be concerned with judgment on this literal world even though God uses a number of parables and historical events that seem to give us that impression. Lord willing, we can only relate to the spiritual that is revealed to us in the Bible and leave the physical events and the timing of them with God? It’s more important today to be aware of the real nature of God’s judgment on Babylon (the Christian world). This would be His mercy in separating the elect from the locusts, thieves, dragons, the false prophets who come in the NAME of Christ. They seem to be pretty much everywhere today?

Thank you for taking the time to look over this lengthy document. Feedback and correction are welcome and may the Lord give us wisdom as we patiently and humbly search the Bible.