Letter to Mr. Camping
In light of the disagreements that exist today between Family Radio and some local groups including Berean Studies on certain Biblical doctrines, we felt the need to send a document to Mr. Harold Camping, president of Family Stations Inc., in Oakland California.
Mr. Camping is a respected Bible teacher and therefore we respect his opinion. We have outlined a series of questions narrowed down to summary questions for each section in this document. The purpose of this document is to try and use scripture to present of set of information to Mr. Camping. We are hoping Mr. Camping will take some time to share his views on these observations and show us from the Bible where we may be in error.
We've made these questions available online so as to invite anyone to look over them. We welcome any feedback and offer of correction.
Dantes Joseph (bereanstudies.net)
John Darash (thebibleonly.net)
Questions Addressed to Mr. Harold Camping;
President of Family Radio.
February 2, 2010
Dear Mr. Camping,
Because you are a respected Bible teacher by many in the community and perhaps around the world, we feel the need to ask you the questions that follow in this document. We would like to make these questions public on the internet for those who may feel they are worthy of consideration and to let them know we are patiently waiting for your response. We decided to write because we feel the open forum may not be a suitable platform for all these questions. If you like, you can address them on your program; only let us know when so we can tune in.
Observing Days / Shadows
Is it possible that the Biblical calendar was given to observe days, months, times and years for the keeping of the ceremonial laws and feast days? In the past, we’ve understood that these were pointing to Christ and that He literally fulfilled all but one at the time the Bible was being written. Therefore we have eagerly anticipated the time when Christ would fulfill the feast of tabernacles, which had to do with the end of the world.
But is the shortening of the days of the tribulation (Mt 24:22) also the salvation of the Elect body coming out of tribulation (Ps 14:7 / Rev 7:10)? Wasn’t this typified by the nation of Israel coming out of Egypt? Is Egypt really a picture of the whole world or is it pointing primarily to the corporate body (Rev 11:8 / Re 15:3) coming into the bondage of the great tribulation? If so, then coming out of Egypt would relate to the separation of wheat and tares, wouldn’t it? Would this mean, then, that the post-church community has been brought into the wilderness where God is still purging and refining the body (Jude 1:5 / 1Co 10:5)? And wouldn’t the exodus from spiritual Egypt be also the fulfillment of the following feasts?
Feast of Tabernacles: Elect are fleeing to the mountains to meet Christ (Lu 21:21, Zec 14:18-19)
The Passover: God is destroying the unsaved corporate body while the Elect find salvation in Christ (Ex 12:13,27,43)
The Sabbath: A time when the corporate body should be resting in Christ? Is the Elect Body today finding salvation in Christ as it comes out of tribulation (Mt 24:20, Is 66:23)? Is God today calling for perfection while the unsaved in the body continue with their own words and doing their pleasure on God’s Holy Day (Isa 58:13-14)?
Seeing the Sabbath then from that perspective, would allow us to understand a little better the man who was gathering sticks on the Sabbath and was stoned to death (Nu 15:33-36). Would this better relate to the church body as a whole, who today, is not resting in Christ? Would this also point to the Pharisees (a type of the unsaved church leaders), who rejected Christ because He was not keeping the literal day of Sabbath (Joh 9:16)? They seemed to have been more concerned with the literal observance of that day and failed to see the substance of what the day was pointing to. So in a way they were also not keeping the spiritual Sabbath. In light of this, could you please comment on the following verses and how they would or would not relate to the substance placed on May or October 21, 2011:
Ga 4:9-10 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?... Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday (feast), or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Summary Question:
If the important feast days are being fulfilled today, including the feast of tabernacles, do we have Biblical authority to place any substance on May and October 21, 2011 without running the risk of looking to the shadow of what those days were pointing to?
Five Months of Revelation 9:5
Knowing God uses the number five spiritually to point to salvation or judgment; and knowing God is judging the unsaved corporate church of our day; how can we view the five months of Revelation 9:5 literally in the light of the following verses?
Ho 5:7 They have dealt treacherously against the LORD: for they have begotten strange children: now shall a month devour them with their portions.
Jer 2:24 A wild ass used to the wilderness, that snuffeth up the wind at her pleasure; in her occasion who can turn her away? all they that seek her will not weary themselves; in her month they shall find her.
Lu 1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,… (would Elisabeth who hid herself five months be seen as a picture of the Elect who came out of tribulation in order to escape the judgment that came on the church body?).
We also understand that you believe the Locusts of Revelation 9:3 is speaking of God’s Elect as they are raptured rather than what we perceive to be the enemy, headed by Satan, which God has allowed to come against the church body. If your understanding is correct, how do you reconcile the verses below? It seems Revelation 9:4 is talking about NOT hurting the believers at the time this judgment is going on. If you place this at a literal five months, what does this say about the two witnesses (Elect) who were hurt at the start of the tribulation (Rev 11:5,7)?
Re 9:4 And it was commanded them (the locusts) that they should not hurt^91 the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Re 11:5 And if any man will hurt^91 them (two witnesses), fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt^91 them, he must in this manner be killed.
Re 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. (wouldn’t <heaven> point spiritually to the former corporate body that is receiving no rain through God’s Elect today?)
Re 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
If you are understanding that the locusts of Revelation 9:4 is a reference to believers at the time of a literal rapture and that they are not to hurt the grass of the earth and the green thing, (verse 4), wouldn’t that be like saying the believers should not hurt themselves? And when we compare the language of the locusts to the verses below, would the locusts in the context of Revelation 9 be pointing to Satan’s army that God is using to bring judgment on those in the church body?:
Joe 1:4 That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust^0697 eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten. (judgment?)
Ex 10:14 And the locusts^0697 went up over all the land of Egypt, and rested in all the coasts of Egypt: very grievous were they; before them there were no such locusts^0697 as they, neither after them shall be such. (tribulation / Judgment?)
Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Joe 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust^0697 hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. (salvation after tribulation?)
Summary Question:
Other than the calendar, what Biblical proof do we have that the five months of Revelation 9:5 should be viewed literally? Do you view the locusts now as always pointing to the elect body? If so, how would that explain the latter verses?
Burial
You have always been one to tell your listeners that unless they find the gospel in the language of the Bible, they may not be understanding verses properly since God speaks in parables. Careful scripture comparison would lead us to believe that burial, in the Bible, is a picture of Salvation. If correct, would those who are NOT buried be the unsaved churches and congregations today that have come under the wrath of God? Is it that they are not finding the proper burial in Christ (Rev 9:6 / Ro 6:4) as they bury themselves (Lu 9:60) in setting up their own salvation program? Jeremiah 8:1 is a verse you frequently use to support the resurrection of literal bones during the five-month period:
Jer 8:1 At that time, saith the LORD, they shall bring out the bones of the kings of Judah, and the bones of his princes, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the prophets, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves:
Would these bones be pointing to those in the unsaved corporate body under judgment today? (Ps 6:2). Is it significant that God repeats this five times? Would that point to judgment on the church? Wouldn’t the grave spiritually point to the place from which a spiritual resurrection takes place which brings the churches and congregations under the wrath of God and the Elect into New Jerusalem (Rev 20:12 / Rev 11:11 / Eze 37:5-10)?.
Jer 8:2 And they shall spread them before the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and whom they have worshipped: they shall not be gathered, nor be buried; they shall be for dung upon the face of the earth.
In verse 2, would God be exposing the sin of the church? Would the reference to the sun, moon and stars be pointing to the leaders or messengers in the churches that have been the object of worship instead of God (Ro 1:25)? Weren’t they supposedly the light of the Gospel, but now this light is being extinguished (Rev 2:5)? Would the repetition of the number five reinforce that this is judgment on the church body itself? Also in the same context, would the fact that these bones are not to be buried point to a lack of salvation for the church, which would be similar to those who seek death and do not find it (Rev 9:6)? You also say that only the bones of the unsaved will be resurrected to be shamed and that these bones will not see life during the five months of May to October 21, 2011. How would this explain the context of these verses where God speaks of life coming into these bones? And what does it mean in verse 11 below that these bones are the whole house of Israel?:
Eze 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
And would those bones that stand upon their feet relate to the salvation of the Elect Body (two witnesses) who come out of tribulation:?
Re 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Summary Question:
Do you see anything in the Bible that would call for us to find the gospel in the bones and burial? Would this be parabolic language (Mt 13:13,34 / Ps 78:2) talking about the nature of God’s judgment on the whole house of Israel (His people) in tribulation?
The Day and the Hour
The Bible appears to be revealing that the day and the hour is primarily a reference to the great tribulation and the depart out. Do you see God to be using the word day as well as the word hour in connection with the dark days of the tribulation? Would this be the time when Christ is revealed through the Bible to provide revelation to the Elect body while at the same time the door is shut on the unsaved in the body?
Mt 24:36 But of that day^2250 and hour^5610 knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues^4127 come in one day^2250, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues^4127.
Am 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
1Co 3:13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day^2250 shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is. (a trial in a time of tribulation?)
La 4:11 The LORD hath accomplished his fury; he hath poured out his fierce anger, and hath kindled a fire^0784 in Zion, and it hath devoured the foundations thereof.
Ps 78:21 Therefore the LORD heard this, and was wroth: so a fire^0784 was kindled against Jacob, and anger also came up against Israel;
Ps 78:63 The fire^0784 consumed their young men; and their maidens were not given to marriage.
Would you see the Elect as having been scattered prior to the separation, but are now are being gathered since nothing can separate them from the love of God (Ro 8:35)? Aren’t they now being fed by Christ (Eze 34:13-14) while God is spiritually killing the unsaved in the body?:
Joh 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time^5610 cometh, that whosoever killeth^615 you will think that he doeth God service.
Re 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill^615 them.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour^5610 is coming, in the which all that are in the graves^3419 shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation^2920.
Rev 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments^2920: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
Re 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the <earth> (would those dwelling on the <earth> be a reference to the corporate body who had killed the two witnesses at the start of the tribulation?)
Lu 11:44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves^3419 which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.
Lu 11:47 Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres^3419 of the prophets, and your fathers killed them.
Lu 11:48 Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres^3419.
Eze 32:26 There is Meshech, Tubal, and all her multitude: her graves^6913 are round about him: all of them uncircumcised, slain by the sword, though they caused their terror in the land of the living.
Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves^6913, and cause you to come up out of your graves^6913, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves^6913, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Now as far as the believers are concerned, is it that even though they came into the tribulation unaware, they are not overtaken by the Day since God brings them
out of tribulation?
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day^2250 should overtake^2638 you as a thief.
Joh 12:35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon^2638 you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
Joe 2:19 Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:
Isa 35:4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
Isa 35:5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
Am 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
Ec 8:5 Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing: and a wise man’s heart discerneth^03045 both time and judgment.
Pr 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known^03045 my words unto you.
Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Pr 4:19 The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know^03045 not at what they stumble. (unsaved in the body not receiving revelation?).
Summary Question:
If we understand that God speaks in parables then is it possible that the day and the hour is a reference to judgment coming on the whole body? If so, do we have Biblical authority to associate the day and the hour to a literal last day and five months?
Neither the Son
Could the phrase neither the Son in Mark 13:32 refer to God’s Elect coming into the great tribulation unaware since He was hiding His face from the entire body at the start of that tribulation (De 31:17-18 / Mic 3:4)? Then at some point during the tribulation, God brings His people out and increases knowledge (Eze 39:29 / Da 12:4)? Can we conclude that the Son there is really talking about Satan in light of this observation? Aren’t the ones who were not aware of the day and hour those in the corporate body? This would make sense if we see the angels in the same verse as the messengers in the body as opposed to celestial bodies. Would God be saying then that no one in the corporate church knew the time when the day and the hour (tribulation, judgment) would come; no not the angels (messengers) in heaven, neither the Son (elect) since they only became aware of the need to depart after it had been revealed to them? (Da 12:4 / Ec 8:5 / Am 3:7 / Act 1:7-8 / 1Th 5:4). Does God ever refer to heaven spiritually as the external representation of His kingdom on earth? Please consider Mark 13:32 again and the following references:
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man (does God refer to the body as a whole sometimes as a man - Luke 12:16, Isa 14:16?), no, not the angels^32 which are in heaven (messengers - to be more specific), neither the Son^5207 (Elect - to be even more specific since the believers are also messengers in the body) but the Father?
Heb 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels^32 unawares.
Mt 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels^32.
Re 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son^5207.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children^5207, My son^5207, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son^5207 whom he receiveth.
Matthew 8:12 But the children^5207 of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (would this also be looking at the unsaved in the body as Son or Children in this context)?
When we look at all the language related to those who do not know the day and the hour it appears to be relating altogether to the corporate body coming into the great tribulation unaware. How do you view this observation in the light of the following verses?:
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Is God tying in the flood of Noah to the destruction of the corporate body in tribulation?)
Ps 35:8 Let destruction come upon him at unawares; and let his net that he hath hid catch himself: into that very destruction let him fall.
Lu 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.
Jer 50:24 I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD.
Lu 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
Lu 12:39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
Lu 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Summary Question:
Given that God uses the same word Son to refer to the Elect; is it possible that they are the ones in view in Mark 13:32 as they came into the great tribulation unaware along with the rest of the body? We’ve heard from some that the Son cannot be the believers because it’s a singular word. But doesn’t God define His own terms?
Hell vs. Annihilation
If the day and the hour is a reference to the dark days of the tribulation, wouldn’t this also affect the way we understand Hell?. Would hell then be taking place today as the unsaved in the body are cast into the lake of fire (Re 19:20)? Is Psalm 49:20 the basis to conclude that to perish means annihilation after the literal five months? In light of this, would hell, then, relate to those who perish in the churches today on whom the door (Christ) has been shut (Mt 25:10). Would the beasts be parabolic language pointing to the people dwelling in what used to be the external representation of God’s kingdom on earth, prior to the depart out?
Ps 49:20 Man that is in honour, and understandeth not, is like the beasts^0929 that perish^01820.
Ho 4:6 My people are destroyed^01820 for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Zep 1:11 Howl, ye inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the merchant people are cut down^01820; all they that bear silver are cut off.
Ho 4:5 Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy^01820 thy mother.
Isa 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone^01820; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
Isa 15:1 The burden of Moab. Because in the night Ar of Moab is laid waste, and brought to silence^01820; because in the night Kir of Moab is laid waste, and brought to silence;
Mic 5:8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts^0929 of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.
Zec 2:4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle^0929 therein:
Zec 14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts^0929 that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues^4127.
Re 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues^4127 come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
2Pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
Summary Question:
Do you see anything at all that might lead you to believe that hell is primarily concerned with God’s judgment on the corporate body? And given that Christ spoke in parables, can we rely on Psalm 49:20 as a primary verse to support the teaching of annihilation?
A Thief in the Night
Can we associate the phrase a thief in the night to a literal last day? It would seem that the Bible reveals the thief to be Satan and the false prophets and night or midnight to be symbolic of the great tribulation again. If so, then wouldn’t the idea of Christ coming as a thief relate to the tribulation coming unaware on the corporate body (spiritual Egypt–Re 11:8) to destruction?
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord (tribulation and depart out?) so cometh as a thief^2812 in the night^3571.
Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief^2812 and a robber.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves^2812 and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:10 The thief^2812 cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Mt 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mt 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. (would this point to the elect coming out of Babylon to meet Christ on the mountains?)
Mr 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
Lu 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
Lu 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou (corporate body – Jerusalem?) knewest not the time of thy visitation.
Ex 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. (Is the firstborn the unsaved in the churches who were considered first such as Esau and end up last for selling their birthright – Heb 12:16 / Mt 19:30?)
Mt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mt 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (would God here be using the flood as a picture of the destruction of the corporate body rather than the events to take place at the end of the world?)
Re 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Re 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. (again, does God spiritually use the <earth> as a symbol of the corporate body which in this context comes under the flood of His judgment?).
Summary Question:
Can we safely tie the phrase thief in the night to May or October 21, 2011 in light of the above observations? Have you given any consideration at all that this phrase might spiritually be relating to the dark days of the great tribulation and the depart out?
Thank you very much Mr. Camping for taking the time to look over these questions and for considering. We look forward to your response and where you can show us that our understanding of the above observations might be contrary to the Bible. You can also view this document online at the following link:
By His Grace,
Dantes Joseph
Web: bereanstudies.net
e-mail: service@bereanstudies.net
John Darash
Web: thebibleonly.net
e-mail: john@thebibleonly.net